whoops... sorry for that, should read the rules more throughly next time;
how about friendly fire? I mean, if your friend next to you accidentally shoot you, when you know clearly that a friend is accidentally shooting at you, not during chaotic crossfire.
In the past we have played with the following rule, and think it is a good starting point...
If you friendly fire someone the following applies
- If both you and your team mate know it was a friendly fire then the shooter goes out instead of the hit player.
- If the shooter doesn't know it was friendly fire, only the hit player goes out. The hit player shouldn't tell an team mate, or any other player, that they are out (as stated in the TKO rules).
These decisions have to be made immediately and are not retroactive. I saw a game once (I think it was my first game) where a player shot someone and that player started walking out. A moment later the shooter was hit by the other team. On the way out he caught up with his team mate and they started talking, and they discovered that it was friendly fire the hit the first player. He reasoned that the shooter should have been out, and brought himself back in the game. He happened to also be the medic, so he healed a few players.
I think that if you know you just shot your own team mate you should apologize and go out in their behalf...right KiwiGlen?
I sometimes really feel that fire discipline needs to be better observed...I know I am guilty of shooting a friendly when I should have been more aware.
Technically you're supposed to be out, friendly fire exists in real life too, and you don't get to ignore it.
I know this is just a game, but I agree with Ycare on the friendly fire aspect. A bomb/bullet/bb doesn't know the difference between an enemy or friendly..
(12-05-2010 03:43 PM)GingaNinga Wrote: [ -> ]I think that if you know you just shot your own team mate you should apologize and go out in their behalf...
I'm guilty of that too, but the few times I knew I friendly fired too late, were public games with players almost 30m away from me, so was tough to communicate the idea.
Unless the teammate you shot is close, it's difficult sometimes to run across a hotzone to him saying "stay there, I'm the one who shot you".
I agree Ycare,
I think that I might have been wrong in my earlier post. I haven't really brought in fratricide rules for the games I have run, but thought that a past TKO game (last May) had those rules. Q and Anarchy can't remember having used those rules before, so I think I must have been confused.
In the spirit of making a case for shooter out on friendly fire...
How do we encourage trigger discipline in our games? Confirming that a target is someone that you should be shooting at, rather than simply shooting at whatever moves? I personally have been shot by my own team mates when retreating, turning around to pass on information, when advancing, and when doing absolutely nothing more than standing around. Some of my favourite excuses have been:
- I saw a gun
- I didn't know you were there
- I thought you were behind me
- I saw someone looking at me
Ok, it might sound like I have a chip on my shoulder about this issue
I just wonder if we introduce a rule like this that it wouldn't make players more accountable and be a bit more careful.
Of course there would be exceptions for Fog of War, like Ycare's example. If you are firing down range at targets and hit your own team mate, then you have to live with it the rest of your life! But you still get to play. If you are defending your flag and your team mate comes back to support you and you open fire on him as he comes out of the brush...well, come on. It seems the right thing to do would be to apologise and let him stay in while you go out.
Would be interested to hear people's thoughts on this.
I am of course happy with whatever the consensus is
(12-05-2010 09:41 PM)GingaNinga Wrote: [ -> ]Of course there would be exceptions for Fog of War, like Ycare's example. If you are firing down range at targets and hit your own team mate, then you have to live with it the rest of your life! But you still get to play. If you are defending your flag and your team mate comes back to support you and you open fire on him as he comes out of the brush...well, come on. It seems the right thing to do would be to apologise and let him stay in while you go out.
This right here is an example of "Honor" that pops up in my mind. I cant help it if someone pulls a "Rambo" and decides to go out guns a blazing, while at the same time crossing my field of fire. I understand people gotta be shot, but lets do it smart and work as a team to shoot up the other gun toting maniacs . But I can and will be honorable, and pull myself out of the game if I shoot a team mate out of pure stupidity on my part because of my lack of focus.
So in conclusion, I vote yes in 2010 for this method of Honor!